[Cryptography] Historic Codebreaking. Crypto
Fellow Cryptography Listers, Those of you interested in historic codes and ciphers may wish to know that the codex of manuscript MS408 (Voynich) has been decrypted. A peer-reviewed paper is due to be formally published in a journal in 2019. In the meantime, three draft papers are available to freely download from the preprint linguistics website LingBuzz: The first paper explains the codex of the writing system and language: http://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/003737 The second paper translates a pictorial map from the manuscript: http://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/003808<http://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/003808>; The third paper focuses on volcanological details from the map: https://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/004381 Please disseminate this information to other scholars who may find it useful. Regards, Dr. G. E. Cheshire, University of Bristol. https://bristol.academia.edu/GerardCheshire _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Gerard Cheshire wrote on 24/01/19 12:19 AM: > Fellow Cryptography Listers, > > Those of you interested in historic codes and ciphers may wish to know that > the codex of manuscript MS408 (Voynich) has been decrypted. A > peer-reviewed paper is due to be formally published in a journal in 2019. A quote from the sidebar of the subreddit /r/voynich Every few months there's a new article on how the VM has been deciphered. This is not true. Read the following for more information. https://skeptoid.com/blog/2017/09/08/yet-another-voynich-manuscript-solution/ Does anyone here have the expertise (I certainly don't) to say whether this latest discovery is a credible one, or might it be another of those "every few months" articles? _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
From: Sidney Markowitz <sidney@sidney.com> Sent: 23 January 2019 20:20:41 To: cryptography@metzdowd.com Cc: Gerard Cheshire Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Historic Codebreaking. Gerard Cheshire wrote on 24/01/19 12:19 AM: > Fellow Cryptography Listers, > > Those of you interested in historic codes and ciphers may wish to know that > the codex of manuscript MS408 (Voynich) has been decrypted. A > peer-reviewed paper is due to be formally published in a journal in 2019. Does anyone here have the expertise (I certainly don't) to say whether this latest discovery is a credible one, or might it be another of those "every few months" articles? ******************************************************************************************************* Re: [Cryptography] Historic Codebreaking. Hi Sidney, In reply: You are all rather late arrivals I'm afraid, as the solution was found early 2017 - my apologies for not finding your mailing list earlier. The solution is certainly correct and thoroughly tested. A more comprehensive article has now been peer-reviewed ready for publishing in a journal in 2019. A formal announcement will be made in due course. It has been highly amusing to witness people's reactions mind you. Had the manuscript first been found recently then no one would have blinked an eye at the solution. As it is, the manuscript has garnered a curious reputation for being mysterious and impossible, but only because many people have failed to decipher it for so long. It turned out to be an extinct language and an unknown writing system - quite simple really, in hindsight. 'Hiding in plain sight' as they say. Regards, Gerard. _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Sidney Markowitz <sidney@sidney.com> writes: >Does anyone here have the expertise (I certainly don't) to say whether this >latest discovery is a credible one, or might it be another of those "every >few months" articles? Given that it produces translated sentences like "abandon, suffering, inform, agreeably, their, out, dew, unites, below, for, nourishing, tool" and "turning, hurt, healing, from, turn, fortune, it goes, tame, from, nourishment, from, mothers, it is, things-fluid, for, holy, more, acquire, from", I'm going to go for the "every few months" answer. Peter. _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:05:54AM +0000, Peter Gutmann wrote: > Sidney Markowitz <sidney@sidney.com> writes: > > >Does anyone here have the expertise (I certainly don't) to say whether this > >latest discovery is a credible one, or might it be another of those "every > >few months" articles? > > Given that it produces translated sentences like "abandon, suffering, inform, > agreeably, their, out, dew, unites, below, for, nourishing, tool" and > "turning, hurt, healing, from, turn, fortune, it goes, tame, from, > nourishment, from, mothers, it is, things-fluid, for, holy, more, acquire, > from", I'm going to go for the "every few months" answer. Perhaps Voynich was the first beat poet? _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Peter Gutmann wrote on 24/01/19 1:05 PM: > I'm going to go for the "every few months" answer. Hmm, possibly so. I'm still no expert, but here someone who claims to be, who doesn't think well of it: https://ciphermysteries.com/2017/11/10/gerard-cheshire-vulgar-latin-siren-call-polyglot _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Abe Singer <abe@oyvay.nu> writes: >On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:05:54AM +0000, Peter Gutmann wrote: >> Given that it produces translated sentences like "abandon, suffering, inform, >> agreeably, their, out, dew, unites, below, for, nourishing, tool" and >> "turning, hurt, healing, from, turn, fortune, it goes, tame, from, >> nourishment, from, mothers, it is, things-fluid, for, holy, more, acquire, >> from", I'm going to go for the "every few months" answer. > >Perhaps Voynich was the first beat poet? More likely a medieval Diceware passphrase generator. Peter. _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
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